Bad words

Mar. 5th, 2019 07:27 am
supergee: (mogen david)
[personal profile] supergee
The president of the United States is acting in the interests of a foreign power because they own his ass after bailing him out of his many business failures, but saying that sumbnall* Jews are loyal to Israel as well as to the United States is an unprecedentedly evil slur.
*Some but not all (Robert Anton Wilson coinage). I, for instance, am not one.

Date: 2019-03-05 03:44 pm (UTC)
arlie: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arlie
I think there is a difference between saying that some particular individual - let's call her "Sarah WellKnownName" is acting in the interests of/loyal to Israel (or Russia), as evidenced by (specific incidents), and saying that a whole category of people - or even an unspecified "some" of them - are acting in the interests of Israel (or Rome) because of their membership in/loyalty to their category, particularly if the category is something like religion.

It's pretty clear that a lot of Americans - one of them in the White House - bend over and do whatever Israel wants. I'm unclear whether there's any statistical tendency for Jewish Americans to do this more than others, but unless all pro-Israel Americans were Jewish, or all Jewish Americans were pro-Israeli, (both demonstrably not true) harping on that seems just part of the usual anti-Semitic thought process.

Frankly, most of the Jews I know tend toward disappointed and/or disgusted with Israel - both because they personally tend liberal, and because they have no more use for an Orthodox Jewish theocracy than I would - being from some other denomination, or even merely culturally Jewish.

Date: 2019-03-05 10:09 pm (UTC)
lavendertook: Cessy and Kimba (Default)
From: [personal profile] lavendertook
"Merely" culturally Jewish you say? (-; Actually I consider myself culturally and ethnically Jewish and it impacts on my liminal racial identification as well and I am not a lesser Jew or Jewlite or sugar -free Jew for not being religious. My extra-Jewy center is just as good as theirs.

Date: 2019-03-05 11:59 pm (UTC)
arlie: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arlie
Oops - I didn't mean to be insulting there.

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