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Arthur D. Hlavaty ([personal profile] supergee) wrote2010-08-18 11:28 am
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Heinlein

Maybe I'm weird. I read Stranger in a Strange Land in 1966, and it blew my mind, "Thou art God" even more than the sex stuff, and more (brief list of things I like about him). From the git-go, though, I had doubts about the book and its author: The strong sexual dimorphism bothered me at the very first reading, and it was soon joined by the put-downs of marijuana and homosexuality, and later more.

So I love the best of his work, but I do not belong to the school (Sarah A. Hoyt may be the latest) that appears to believe that his flatulences smelled like Chanel #5. (I think they're a lot closer to the truth than the people who believe he was a fascist.) I like an idea I encountered in the writings of Edward Hall, of a tribe in Mexico that doesn't have global categories of Sane and Insane but believes that some people don't function well in some situations. It works at the other end of the scale, with Heinlein and with the only other writer who comparably influenced me, Robert Anton Wilson, who programmed me in ways that were not obvious for months or even years, but who from the beginning seemed neither feminist nor elitist enough.

Do drop in on Tor's Heinlein symposium and buy the bio.
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[personal profile] laughingrat 2010-08-18 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
That tribe has some good ideas.

Heinlein gave me the twitches even at the time, but it was what I had to hand, you know? If someone had thought to give me Ursula K. LeGuin instead, that would've been nice, but.

But yeah, this whole uncritical celebration thing that I've been seeing on my Network page lately has been giving me a case of the snarks.
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[personal profile] bientot 2010-08-19 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
I was just in high school (1964) when I discovered Stranger at the bookmobile. It was my first Heinlein, if you can believe that, and it felt pretty life-changing. I kept it out long past the due date to let my best friend read it, and I vividly remember the first time I encountered someone who'd read it independently, which was something of an epiphany. Within a couple of years EVERYBODY had read it and it was being taught in lit classes, and a lot of the shine had worn off, but for a while there it was almost religious. Hey - I was 15. It took a while to get some perspective.

So while I can't go along with the Heinlein-is-god camp, I can't endorse the Heinlein-is-Hitler school of thought either. He was just this guy, you know? Who sort of changed my life.